Revolutionizing EV Safety How Inner is Using X-Ray and CT Technology to Prevent Battery Fires

Episode Overview

Episode Topic:

In this episode of The Skeleton Crew, host Jenn Callahan welcomes three innovative guests from Inner, a deep tech company based in Eindhoven, Netherlands. Efrat Avnet Steinberg, Hans Burrman, and Mark Crocker share how their company is leveraging cutting-edge CT and X-ray technology to revolutionize safety in the electric vehicle (EV) industry. With EVs becoming more prevalent, understanding the safety and longevity of their batteries is critical. Inner’s technology provides a non-invasive method to detect early abnormalities in EV batteries, potentially preventing dangerous situations like fires. This episode dives into the specifics of how their technology works, its real-world applications, and the future implications for EV safety and sustainability.

Lessons You’ll Learn:

Listeners will gain insights into the challenges associated with electric vehicle battery safety and the innovative solutions being developed to address them. The episode explores the importance of predictive technology in preventing catastrophic battery failures and how Inner’s unique imaging methods offer a proactive approach to EV safety. You’ll also learn about the potential applications of this technology beyond vehicles, such as in stationary energy storage systems. Additionally, the discussion sheds light on the environmental benefits of prolonging battery life, reducing waste, and optimizing recycling efforts, providing a comprehensive look at how technology can drive both safety and sustainability in the automotive industry.

About Our Guests:

Efrat Avnet Steinberg, Hans Burrman, and Mark Crocker are key figures behind Inner, a tech-forward company specializing in advanced imaging solutions for electric vehicle batteries. Efrat Avnet Steinberg brings a diverse background in law and business development, with a passion for startups and innovation. Hans Burrman, the CTO, has over 25 years of experience in applied physics and medical imaging, contributing his expertise in pattern recognition and product development. Mark Crocker, with a strong foundation in IT and operating systems, has a rich history of entrepreneurship and innovation in radiation and proton therapy systems. Together, they form a dynamic team dedicated to enhancing EV safety through groundbreaking X-ray and CT technology.

Topics Covered:

The conversation covers various topics, including the origins of Inner and the diverse professional journeys that led Efrat, Hans, and Mark to collaborate on this pioneering project. Key topics discussed include the technical aspects of Inner’s X-ray and CT imaging technology, its application in detecting early signs of battery degradation or potential failure, and the role of artificial intelligence in improving diagnostic accuracy. The episode also addresses the broader implications for electric vehicle safety, regulatory considerations, and future innovations that could shape the EV landscape. Listeners will hear about the practical benefits of this technology for car manufacturers, rental companies, and consumers, along with the potential for creating new standards in battery safety and sustainability

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Episode Transcript

Jenn Callahan: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Skeleton Crew. I’m your host, Jenn Callahan, and today I have three great guests with me. Today they are joining me from the company inner, and they’re going to be talking to us about their company that uses CT and x-ray technology to look at electric vehicles and the batteries that are within them. So Efreet, Hans and Mark are with me today from Amsterdam, am I correct?

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: From Eindhoven, even in the Netherlands.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: But Eindhoven, that’s like the deep tech capital, I think of the Netherlands.

Jenn Callahan: All right. So thank you for joining me from, you know, halfway around the world. I really do appreciate it., I’ll allow you guys to introduce yourself, and maybe you can give us just a little bit of a background about each of you and how the three of you came together to create this company.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: Sure So maybe I’ll jump in. I’m actually the CEO. I was a lawyer many years ago and then a business developer in actually working in large corporations, but always on the non-core. Always excited about starting something new, bringing ideas from seed to implementation to execution. And this is what we’re doing here. Yeah. So I worked in different industries. And in the past seven years working closely with startups in inner is the start. The startup that I’ve been busy with in the last two years. Yeah. So that’s me.

Jenn Callahan: Thanks. How about you, Hans? How did you. What’s your portion? In the company of inner.

Hans Burrman : Okay, so I’ll hear from, uh, CTO, uh, in a big word, mainly, uh, technical person background in applied physics, uh, pattern recognition. Then spent 25 years in the medical imaging industry here in the area. There’s a lot of bigger players, as you may know. Uh, I’ve probably helped design one of the systems Decisions that you’ve worked with. So x-ray an MRI later. I’ve also worked on other stuff all about taking innovation to products so it could be in research, it could be product development and everything in between. And then I spent six years at the Dutch Cancer Registry, building the products that are a research institution. Building a team there. And then it was time to look for something new. And I came aboard Air France and she had a position in x ray. And I thought, well, that might be interesting. So why don’t you go now?

Jenn Callahan: And, Mark, how about you? Yeah. Hi. Background.

Mark Crocker : I still live on the south coast of England, but I’m in and out of Eindhoven often until we get ourselves fully established. I have an IT background, so,, claim to fame is operating systems. So big operating systems., cut my teeth a long time ago, and,, spent a lot of time with the big companies when they moved into operating systems. Starting my own company. Gosh, a long, long time ago I helped people like some microcomputers. Hp,, then moved into the semester, hence Hans moved into oncology, so mainly in radiation systems because all the people were buying radiation systems. Linacs they called using photons as in singular. So we set up in about 2010 the first ever joined up network for proton systems. So like photon systems and managed to make the UK private network. We did all the UK private uh proton sorry photon systems around the UK then moved into protons and built the world’s only joined up network of proton solutions, all for cancer treatment. And where we you know, my expertise was obviously networks in real time computing and then b ped into Efrat about a year ago., and we got on until Hans turned up. You know, I was the clever one. Now, Hans is the super clever one, so he supersedes me., and we all get on really well. And,, you know, we’re pushing really hard. I mean, the solution is just fantastic. So.

Jenn Callahan: So how did this, this idea, you know, between the three of you come together that this is, you know, the direction that you were going to start up on.

Mark Crocker : I guess,, we were looking at approaches and the thing that excited me, and I think it excited Hans when we first started, was the ability to do a mammogram, you know, because obviously had a wife that died of cancer and, you know, her going through mammograms was obviously very painful. And of course, their flat chest, their flat, and you have to push your chest quite hard up against it. And this technology is about to be curved, but having hands coming from that sort of market, you know, it is still doable. And it’s on the very, very back burner. It would just take 10 to 15 years to get that type of product into a market, purely because of the regulations and the rules and everything else. And I think I’ll hand it over to that. But I think it was you that actually came out with the better option who did?

Jenn Callahan: We were just trying to, yeah, but maybe let’s take one step backwards to tell a little bit about our technology.

Jenn Callahan: Or maybe you would.

Jenn Callahan: You would want to talk.

Jenn Callahan: About it.

Hans Burrman : Well, okay. So our technology is an x ray detector. The special one, you know, x ray detectors of course. And the forwards and the intermediate ones in the world. The technology we have allows you to build a modular one. So it’s like Lego blocks. So you can build one that’s smaller. You can build one that’s really very large. And that sort of got us thinking that nobody out there can really do a really large detector that can do that. Where is it useful for. Now we looked at elephants and everything like that, but there are not many places where they do elephants. And so then we came across another problem which is batteries of cars. And of course, yeah, that’s when you can apply yourself. If you want to look at something really big and you need to look into it to explore it, then really a really large x ray sensor comes in handy. And of course, this problem is quite real.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And Yeah. We. I don’t know if you’ve, uh, it was on the news in the last week or so that there’s a huge crisis now in Korea, in Seoul. They had a huge fire in one of the parking lots. It sounds very random, but it actually is, because this fire cannot be distinguished. It burns in 2000 degrees or something like this. Then from a very local event of fire that you would call the fire brigade and, and just, uh, finish with that. It turned out to be a whole block fire with casualties. And this is from a Mercedes, from a new car, high quality car, but just,, and those things keep on happening. And of course, the more you have EVs around, around you, there will happen more and more. And when we start using EV batteries for stationary applications, which is also going to be very, very common around us for our energy storage systems in the homes, in office buildings, then as long as those things happen and once they start, they cannot. Yeah. Nobody can fight them. Uh, then the need for prevention and prediction, uh, really becomes a, it becomes a real issue. And this is where we can come in. Because if you look inside and there the analogy to the medical world that, that we started from in this conversation, and the one that’s more common today, uh, is really relevant, because if you look inside, you can see it before it becomes a problem and then you can take care of it. And this is exactly what we plan to introduce, looking at the big object from the outside to see very tiny abnormalities before they grow and before it’s too late.

Jenn Callahan: So these abnormalities can happen even when they’re, say, brand new batteries, you know, that have just been placed into the car. It’s not.

Jenn Callahan: Technically.

Jenn Callahan: That they’re absolutely.

Mark Crocker : And they could be caused by many different reasons. And of course, quality control at the factory is normally pretty good, but it could be a little bit of dust that makes the cells touch each other and that causes it to heat up. It could be just a standard defect. It could be a small chemical reaction. It could be driving on a British road where there’s more potholes than the tarmac., and that would twist the battery frame. And so there’s a million things that crash, you know, overcharging. You run it at, you know, full charge to get this ten minute charge. It obviously puts a lot of pressure on the chemical reactions than it does on a slow charge. So there’s a thousand reasons why it could go wrong and it could go wrong from day one onwards.

Jenn Callahan: And would they combust say you know is there just like you said there was a parking lot in the car, was just sitting there that it can combust or could it possibly happen while the vehicle is moving.

Mark Crocker : The answer is there’s a thing called a battery management system which keeps an eye on moving cars. And they’re pretty good. And you know this, we compliment them, we don’t knock them out. And of course, they’ve got enough additional pieces of software and hardware to detect massive temperature changes. Chemical changes. But often this happens very, very quickly. And you only get a minute or two warning and your Tesla or your BMW or whatever the car is, you’ll get a warning. Come up and saying, look, evacuate the car and you do get that minute or two, but you don’t get 20 minutes or 2 hours or even two years, because our technology, in theory, will spot it very, very early on. And we’ll have as we grow the technology and make it better, we’ll be able to give you insights and, you know, potentially analysis to say, well, this will go wrong in six months time, two years time.

Jenn Callahan: Now would you be scanning the vehicles like, say, post-production as soon as they come off the line? Or when would this type of technology be utilized for electric vehicles?

Mark Crocker : And I think at this stage it will make very little difference. They have recalls and it’s post-production. We feel that would be the most likely scenario.

Hans Burrman : And a couple of very clear scenarios that we can see today, one inch,, let’s say, uh, accidents when the car has been in the crash, that the rules of what you can do with it are quite strict. Uh, and you really want to know as little as possible or what’s the status of the battery? And you’re at least anecdotal evidence. Sometimes the car looks perfectly fine, and then the battery is hurt. In other cases, the car really takes a severe blow with the battery. Right. All right. So this is a place where you want something like x-ray to be able to look into it and see what’s the status of the battery. There’s another one, uh, that you can see, uh, in Second Life. So you have an electric car over time, obviously it’s the capacity of your battery goes on. Same with your laptop and with your phone. Uh, and then at some point in time with your car, the capacity is not good enough. You want to be able to drive to your grandmother and something you can’t reach her anymore. So then your average spot that the battery is still perfectly okay, it just has 75% of its original capacity., I’m not sure what’s like in the state, but here they are now, pushing you towards having local storage via your solar panels on the roof. Store the electricity that’s generated there. Use it at night or in bad weather and reuse it then. And these batteries are perfectly suited for that. As long as they’re safe, because you’re going to put them close to your house and you want this to be safe.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: I think I think it will. In most of the use cases, there will be certain junctions of decision making where the scanner would become very, very handy. So as Han said, uh, for, for uh, when, when you remove the pack from the car because it’s not it doesn’t have enough capacity to move your car, but it has enough capacity to, to light your house. That’s one decision point where it’s very, very handy. The second one is Mark mentioned the recalls. There are around 100,000 cases of recalls, of just of batteries, uh, from the the top, the, the really the, the most well-known, uh, automakers. And those batteries are then sent to for doing or recycling and those are brand new ones. They’ve been on the road for maybe a year. What a waste. Is that right? And sometimes this is physical damage. And that they suspect is the issue. But they don’t have the ability to look inside. Right. Because the anode is torn apart. They can’t know. You cannot break a Tesla to it has 9000 cylinder cells the size of my finger. In order to check you’d need to break it apart into those 9000 cells and look at each and every one of them.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: You just don’t do it. But we give you the actual access right inside to to really see what’s, what’s going on there. So that’s another, another example. Those recall packs, we can actually bring them back into the market. No need to replace them. And another use case would be you buy a five year old EV today. You just yeah. You take it to the garage, maybe to test the brakes. When you buy this car, they test the brakes for you. They take the steering wheel. Maybe the pollution. They give you a report and then you take a decision. Am I going to buy it? I’m not going to buy it. So tomorrow it’s going to be, uh, they’re taking a look at the pack for you and telling you. Well, we actually see some cracks and swellings, and it’s not a very. It wasn’t treated well in the last five years, so maybe it’s not the right pick for you. So we’re giving you that. So that’s a third example of a decision point where this information becomes very handy and very useful for you as a consumer..

Jenn Callahan: I think I’m not.

Jenn Callahan: Very well versed on electric vehicles. So I just was going to ask in terms you said, like, you know, the battery is not good is or battery is able to be switched out from electric vehicles.

Mark Crocker : I think that that brings you to my point, which is about the value of the car, approximately half of it is the battery on the electric vehicles. So when you’re spending 30,000 pounds or €30,000 dollars on a car, 15,000 of that is now the battery. It’s the foot plate. So it’s the whole of the underside of the car., is that the size of the battery? Approximately., and there’s about 40 million electric vehicles already on the road. And if all projections and, uh,, and analysts are correct, by 2030, there’ll be more electric cars than non-electric cars in the world.

Jenn Callahan: Okay. Wow.

Jenn Callahan: It’s a lot. I know that the United States is trying to push towards that direction, but I don’t know how far we’ve gotten that way because there’s still a lot of, you know, gas vehicles on the road now. Can you use this technology for batteries in gas driven cars?

Mark Crocker : Wouldn’t need to. They’re very small, and they have a different type of chemical technology. They don’t use lithi, which means they don’t get extremely hot., obviously, your petrol tank can., and, you know, they do, but they tend to have problems with accidents because people have designed petrol tanks for a long time., so it’s not the same issue. And again, you know, you could possibly do it in in smaller scooters, electric scooters,, push bikes, you know, electric push bikes have the problem, but they’re small. And most other x ray machines can do it, as Hans said, is that ours is extremely big. The first version will take the packs, but the next version we will come out with in a couple of years time will drive your vehicle into our machine. You will obviously get out. You take the x ray and you’ll drive it back out again, all within a space of five minutes and we won’t remove the pack. It will be still part of the car.

Jenn Callahan: Yeah, I was, I was looking on your website,, and it kind of almost looks like a, like a mini car wash, right?

Mark Crocker : Absolutely. Exactly.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: I mean, it’s a it’s a large building, but I mean, it’s not quite as large as a car wash, but that’s kind of I was like, oh, it looks like a little mini car wash.,

Jenn Callahan: So that’s great. So let’s talk about how, you know, you’re using the is it doing a simultaneous x ray and a Cat scan of the car?

Hans Burrman : Well, what you do is you start with doing an x ray, and that can already tell you quite a bit. Uh, but the idea is that you need more information that because these are quite thick and you want to see something of their inside., ideally you would do a full, uh, CT scan of it, but that is a very large machine and a lot of data. So we’re looking at in betweens like, uh tomosynthesis that we have in, uh, in breast cancer imaging where you do a limited swing and still get 3D information out of it, and that will tell you not just what’s on the outside, but also what’s happening on the inside of the battery.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And maybe it’s also worth, uh, saying that,, we’re going to build the world’s largest database cloud database of of all this, while all of our customers, uh, scans will be stored in one place so that the diagnosis would be completely automatic and very, very quick. And we will also make sure that we support every type of future battery technology, because this is something that the industry is really busy with. There’s a lot of money invested in, uh, improving manufacturing. Technology, because batteries are so sensitive and batteries are so crucial for today’s. To solve today’s energy crisis and to make the world greener. So there’s a lot. Of money invested in that. Uh, but then, uh, so we, we are going to be ready to, uh, to. Provide the same answer for those future technologies and to offer diagnosis, uh, for them as well., and also, uh, we might be able to offer a very important tool for the cell producers, for the battery companies, because we are going to give them a new perspective. Uh, they never had access to imaging produced on their cells after five, six, seven, eight years on the road. So they might be able to recognize new patterns. And this is, uh, this is very we find this very important and very valuable.

Jenn Callahan: , and now in doing this scanning, you know, obviously you said that you’re using, you know, CT and x ray., you know, but or is there anything that you’re using, you know, to help enhance the images for, for reading. And that leads me to another question. Who’s doing the reading of the images to to look at the crack, see if there’s cracks and stuff because I mean, obviously it’s not going to be a radiologist, but there has to be, I’m sure, like a technologist, you know, or or on staff. Right.

Mark Crocker : We,, we we’re very lucky because unlike the han body, every single battery is exactly the same. It’s only the defects that are wrong. Whereas, you know, people’s hearts are in different places. People’s lungs are slightly different. So we’re starting from a cleaner template that we’re using, of course, is we can have one battery from one manufacturer. Everything else from then on we’re baseline it. So machine learning and AI will be really good for us because we’re just going to spot the differences. And once we’ve learned those differences, all we have to do is analyze how important those differences are, and so it’s history. Hence.

Hans Burrman : So we’re building algorithms to do this for us. And we already have existing, uh, collaborations with partners, for instance, who help us to ensure that batteries and not just the good but also the bad ones. So we know what they like, and we can train our classifiers to determine the good from the bad ones. Having said that, of course there will always be some kind of an optical inspection because you want to say, well, what’s happening there? And especially if you’re looking at, uh, results for accidents. And sometimes the han eye is so much better at not happening there than this algorithm. But if you look at 9000 batteries and we find out if there’s a bad one, this is where the algorithms help. This is where they can do it.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And it’s also important to say that existing imaging solutions that can do that today, the the ones that we know of are extremely they’re more research oriented, uh, and uh, very, very expensive, very big equipment artifacts. So it’s, uh, we’re the only ones trying to make it really a commodity to make it a commercial offering that can provide a solution and help this industry grow and scale. So speaking of.

Jenn Callahan: That, what is your hope for? This is like, I guess maybe I should say your vision for for the for the scanning places. Do you like look at it as I’m thinking in my mind, this is what I’m envisioning is that, you know, for like, say, like used car dealerships, like you had said, like someone goes to buy a used, like, five year old, like EV car,, you know, that a used car dealership would have something like this on site. And, you know, any type of electric vehicles that come through, they can be scanned automatically. Or are you looking to have like, central locations where people can just drive up and have their cars checked, like what’s your.

Mark Crocker : Your all of those.

Mark Crocker : All of those? The exactly.

Jenn Callahan: Exactly.

Mark Crocker : The one that we we started some basic conversations with is a car rental companies. You know, they’re not pushing out electric vehicles as often as they can. If, if I was hiring electric vehicle with some children or grandchildren in the back, you know, and I had a green light or red light instead of green light. I’ll swap cars, you know. The last thing I want to do is put children in the back of a car. Electric vehicle that might catch fire, you know. And it just just hurts. I said pick on Hertz. Forget any rental company. It’d be a great asset for them if they could do it. And we do believe our scans. Once everything’s running, the technology is proven. We’ll take about five minutes. You know, similar to the han CT scan. You know, they don’t take long. There’s a bit of preparation, but, you know, the scan itself is not horrendous nowadays.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: No.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And it’s also so it’s a combination. Again, as we said, it’s all of those that we said that you just said. But it’s also we’re helping to create a new standard, a new safety standard in the world because it’s a there’s no reason that every used battery, whether it’s inside the car or outside of the car for different uses,, will be scanned before you take a decision whether you can use it or not. So it’s like.

Jenn Callahan: Yeah.

Mark Crocker : So I think one of the things that really important to a lot of people, especially around Europe, is if you don’t scan those batteries, your default position is to throw them in the rubbish bin and and we recycle them. Okay. It’s good that you can recycle the copper and the nickel and the and all the cobalt, but wouldn’t it be better to reuse it and continue using it? I mean, that must save millions of. And it’s just so eco friendly, just reusing it, especially if it’s capable of being reused somewhere. 

Jenn Callahan: Yeah.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: The carbon footprint is is huge. Now when we keep sourcing lithi all the time. Yeah. It’s it’s just crazy because.

Jenn Callahan: Again my mind is spinning and thinking about things. So in the United States you know we have to have our cars inspected every year to make sure that it’s safe to be driven. Is that similar? I’m assuming that you’re like that., how? Now I’m thinking I’m like, maybe this could be incorporated into part of the inspection, that if you have an electric vehicle, this is part of the inspection, that you have to take it to a location for it to be scanned.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: Sure.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And we’re definitely 100%, but we’re not waiting for that to happen. We know sometimes regulators take their time. So we built our business case on the commercial, you know, the free market and on demand. But we were sure we will definitely believe that the regulator will follow and insurance will as well. If you have a Tesla maybe you will get a discount on your premium. If you scan your car, it would be an incentive for the insurers to actually collaborate and to incentivize that.

Jenn Callahan: Yeah that’s great.

Jenn Callahan: And especially like you said, reducing the carbon footprint and being able to recycle it. So what batteries like that be sent back to the original manufacturer for them to be melted down and reused.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: Or are there specific companies for that? they just, uh, have specific locations and they get use packs and then recycle them and send back The cell back. The raw material to the producers of cell. So it’s not that some in some cases it has to do with it’s the same one, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be. It really depends because you’re trying to save a lot of transportation also. So you don’t want to send a use back all across the world for it to be recycled. Your cycle. Do you prefer to do it locally, wherever, whenever it’s possible.

Mark Crocker : But but don’t lose sight of the fact that we think if you were to scan those packs and find them not to be as bad as you think, then the second life, you know, connected to your fridge or your TV, you know that that has more value or more worth and keeps that battery in useful life for another 15 years. Because, you know, my TV and my fridge don’t take half the power a card requires, right?

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: And yeah, it’s also,, important to mention that we, we’re already scanning back. So we have a partnership with one of the leading research institutions in the world. That’s Fraunhofer in Germany. And we already started doing scanning projects for interested parties. So if automakers or cell producers,, or any, uh, energy storage builder,, is really curious to see for the first time how it looks inside and what’s going on, or even scan a recall pack. Then we’re very happy to collaborate, and we can already do it within our beta version service.

Jenn Callahan: So you guys obviously have awesome technology on your hands that you’ve developed. And it sounds extremely useful. You know, I don’t really think I have never heard of the, you know, electric vehicles, uh, imploding like that, but it’s extremely interesting and obviously not out of the realm of possibility. It’s just not something, I guess, because I don’t own one. Have never possibly thought of it., but speaking of that, in your journey of starting up this company, have you met any resistance or challenges or even competitions along your way.

Hans Burrman : Well, there’s something that I think you or your audience will probably understand on top of your journey. Mm. So,, just now we realized. No. So what we have to stress often is that, uh, the difference between what the BMW’s and the car is doing and what we’re doing now. And the medical analogy here is, is quite strong. The BMW’s in your car, the battery management system. It’s like what we are. They connect you to all these machines that will tell you your heartbeat, your saturation, your blood pressure. It can tell you very well what it’s doing right now. It can predict to some extent these days whether you will have sepsis or not. Same in the car. It can tell you how you’re doing right now and it can tell you, oh, now the pressure is going up or the temperatures go up. Get out of the car now. It will tell you in time. Probably. That’s great. But it can’t tell you whether you have cancer, whether you have appendicitis, whether you have, uh, whatever. There you need imaging because you’re looking for something very local, localized in a specific space where there is change. That’s what we can do with our x-ray image. And that’s where we are complementing what electrical measurements can do for the BMS so that I think the essential difference that we’re making. And that’s why you want us as well as the electrical measurements.

Jenn Callahan: Anyone have anything to add to that?

Mark Crocker : We fully agree on that.

Jenn Callahan: It’s really I mean, it’s amazing that as a healthcare professional that sometimes your mind doesn’t move outside of healthcare and how, you know, radiology can be used in other facets that, you know, sometimes I feel like we have blinders. At least I should just speak for myself that you’re just thinking about the body, but how useful it can be in everyday life. You know how, uh, Inter is scanning for electric vehicles? There was. I’ve spoken to another company that scans for lithium batteries, and then another German based company that does,, scanning for like, overall cast models. So it just really brightens at least my eyes. I should say. I’m not going to speak for everyone in healthcare, but how useful technology can be used in everyday life.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: Yeah.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: You interviewed glimpse also, which we love. They’re doing a great job. And, uh, so yeah, it’s a fascinating world. 

Jenn Callahan: , so everybody this is uh Efrat Hans and Mark joining me talking about their revolutionized company inner and things that they’re doing with the electrical vehicle world out there. So thank you guys so much for taking the time to be with me and to explain this, this great work that you’re doing for the world overall. I really appreciate it.

Efrat Avnet Steinberg: Thank you. Yeah.

Mark Crocker : Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.

Jenn Callahan: Yeah. All right, everybody.

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